Man vs Machine

[A.Presman]

Yes. We have it already.
After giant interest and a lot of money in chess matches Man vs Machine we can not be surprised that there is a tendence of draughts computers (programs, programmers) to challenge Human.

Maybe it is already time to write some small history of this competition.

2 matches Samb - Buggy when in the second one Buggy was stronger,
knock-out given by Flits to Krajenbrink.
Soon we expect match Flits - Valneris during the tournament in Nijmegen.

Bu already some time ago there were not that well known victory of TRUUS in "Minsk Open" in 1997 and good results of this program in many other competitions.

So maybe here we can discuss different aspects of this phenomenon.

[A.Presman]

And for those who are interested - small announcement.

7-8 June.
Moscow Chess-drughts club Olympijski.
Russian draughts (64)
Match between Grand Master Alexander Kandaurov and one of strongest Computer programs in Russian draughts Tundra.

10 games , 30 min for the game.
Match begins 12.00 Moscow time.
Online broadcasting on http://www.tundra2.com starting from 12:30 Moscow time.

[A.Presman]

Alexander Kandaurov won the match.
5 1/2 - 4 1/2 ( +1=9-0 )

All games (also in applet ) are on
http://www.tundra2.com/online/kan_tun.html ( in Russian )

Earlier this year A. Kandaurov won also other strong computer program Magistr.

[Jacques PERMAL]

I usually played against Saïtek electronic game 12 MGHZ. And I made progress a lot. Perhaps if I usually played nowadays VS .....Alexander Presman, I could become a GMI !!!!!! [img]images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_cool.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_mad.gif[/img]

[mschribr]

Yes. We have it already.
After giant interest and a lot of money in chess matches Man vs Machine we can not be surprised that there is a tendence of draughts computers (programs, programmers) to challenge Human.

Maybe it is already time to write some small history of this competition.

2 matches Samb - Buggy when in the second one Buggy was stronger,
knock-out given by Flits to Krajenbrink.
Soon we expect match Flits - Valneris during the tournament in Nijmegen.

Bu already some time ago there were not that well known victory of TRUUS in "Minsk Open" in 1997 and good results of this program in many other competitions.

So maybe here we can discuss different aspects of this phenomenon.

I could not find information about Truus’s games against humans. What were Truus’s results at the 1997 Minsk Open and other competitions?

[A.Presman]

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Minsk-97 GMI  27.6.97 - 5.7.97
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                                       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10   G + = -  P SB
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1-3  I.Kirzner   Ukraine gmi 2323   *  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1   9 2 7 0 11 96
1-3  V.Milshin   Russia  gmi 2329   1  *  1  1  1  1  2  1  1  2   9 2 7 0 11 94
1-3  A.Georgiev  Russia  gmi 2399   1  1  *  1  1  1  1  2  2  1   9 2 7 0 11 93
  4  A.Bulatov   Belarus  mi 2333   1  1  1  *  1  1  1  1  1  2   9 1 8 0 10 87
  5  A.Getmansky Russia   mf 2341   1  1  1  1  *  1  1  0  2  1   9 1 7 1  9 81
  6  A.Baljakin  Belarus gmi 2431   0  1  1  1  1  *  1  2  1  1   9 1 7 1  9 77
  7  K.Tijssen   Holland     2307   0  0  1  1  1  1  *  2  1  1   9 1 6 2  8 67
  8  A.Valiuk    Belarus     2260   1  1  0  1  2  0  0  *  1  1   9 1 5 3  7 64
  9  H.Meijer    Holland  mi 2345   1  1  0  1  0  1  1  1  *  1   9 0 7 2  7 63
 10  E.Vatutin   Belarus gmi 2366   1  0  1  0  1  1  1  1  1  *   9 0 7 2  7 62
================================================================================

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Minsk - 97 MI   27.6.97 - 5.7.97
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                                    1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10   G + = -  P  SB
===============================================================================
  1   A.Kalmakov  Russia  gmi 2332  *  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  2  2   9 4 5 0 13 107
  2   S.Nosevich  Belarus  mi 2268  1  *  1  1  1  0  2  2  2  2   9 4 4 1 12  95
  3   M.Kats      Belarus gmi 2324  1  1  *  1  1  2  2  1  1  1   9 2 7 0 11  94
  4   J.Wiering   Holland  mf 2271  1  1  1  *  1  1  1  2  1  2   9 2 7 0 11  91
  5   V.Swizinsky Belarus  mi 2239  0  1  1  1  *  1  2  1  1  2   9 2 6 1 10  80
  6   R.Ishimbaev Russia      2100  0  2  0  1  1  *  2  0  1  1   9 2 4 3  8  71
  7   V.Nikitchuk Ukraine     2157  1  0  0  1  0  0  *  1  2  2   9 2 3 4  7  54
  8   O.Gurov     Belarus     2149  1  0  1  0  1  2  1  *  0  0   9 1 4 4  6  57
  9   V.Vorushilo Belarus  mf 2190  0  0  1  1  1  1  0  2  *  0   9 1 4 4  6  52
 10   R.Heusdens  Holland  mi 2244  0  0  1  0  0  1  0  2  2  *   9 2 2 5  6  43
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Minsk - 97 Open       27.6.97 - 5.7.97
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                                  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22  G + = -  P B  SB
======================================================================================================================
   1  TRUUS                           *  1  1  2  1  2  .  2  2  .  2  .  .  .  2  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  9 6 3 0 15 94 152
   2  Tansykugina T. Russia           1  *  0  1  1  .  2  .  .  2  2  2  .  .  .  .  2  .  .  .  .  .  9 5 3 1 13 94 127
   3  Korkhov M.     Ukraine 2335     1  2  *  1  1  1  2  .  .  1  1  2  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  9 3 6 0 12 98 130
   4  Georgieva G.   Russia           0  1  1  *  2  1  .  .  1  .  .  1  .  .  .  .  2  .  2  .  .  .  9 3 5 1 11 94 104
   5  Plakhin A.     Belarus 2198     1  1  1  0  *  1  1  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  2  .  .  .  .  2  2  .  9 3 5 1 11 89  96
   6  Sadovskaia O.  Belarus 2248     0  .  1  1  1  *  .  2  .  1  1  .  1  .  .  .  .  .  .  2  .  .  9 2 6 1 10 94  96
   7  Tolstik I.     Belarus 2153     .  0  0  .  1  .  *  1  1  .  .  2  2  .  1  .  2  .  .  .  .  .  9 3 4 2 10 89  89
   8  Milshina E.    Russia           0  .  .  .  .  0  1  *  1  .  2  .  1  2  1  2  .  .  .  .  .  .  9 3 4 2 10 88  89
   9  Markevich F.   Belarus 2145     0  .  .  1  .  .  1  1  *  .  0  .  2  2  .  .  .  1  2  .  .  .  9 3 4 2 10 87  88
  10  Il'in P.       Belarus          .  0  1  .  .  1  .  .  .  *  .  1  .  .  2  .  0  1  2  .  .  2  9 3 4 2 10 76  74
  11  Volkova L.     Belarus          0  0  1  .  .  1  .  0  2  .  *  .  .  2  .  .  .  .  1  .  2  .  9 3 3 3  9 89  73
  12  Gerasimovich N.Belarus          .  0  0  1  .  .  0  .  .  1  .  *  .  2  .  .  1  .  .  2  .  2  9 3 3 3  9 82  66
  13  Shavandov A.   Belarus          .  .  .  .  .  1  0  1  0  .  .  .  *  1  0  2  .  2  2  .  .  .  9 3 3 3  9 79  73
  14  Lisichenok A.  Belarus          .  .  .  .  .  .  .  0  0  .  0  0  1  *  .  2  .  2  .  .  2  2  9 4 1 4  9 68  51
  15  Berezovskaia L.Belarus          0  .  .  .  0  .  1  1  .  0  .  .  2  .  *  2  .  .  .  0  2  .  9 3 2 4  8 83  60
  16  Fedorenkov A.  Belarus          .  .  .  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  0  0  0  *  .  2  1  1  2  2  9 3 2 4  8 63  40
  17  Teterenok A.   Belarus          .  0  .  0  .  .  0  .  .  2  .  1  .  .  .  .  *  1  .  1  2  0  9 2 3 4  7 73  49
  18  Tsydik V.      Belarus          .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  1  1  .  .  0  0  .  0  1  *  1  2  .  1  9 1 5 3  7 70  51
  19  Volkova E.     Belarus          .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  0  0  1  .  0  .  .  1  .  1  *  .  2  2  9 2 3 4  7 70  36
  20  Verboven F.    Holland 1863     .  .  .  .  0  0  .  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  2  1  1  0  .  *  1  2  9 2 3 4  7 66  40
  21  Guk N.         Belarus          .  .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  0  0  0  0  .  0  1  *  2  9 1 1 7  3 69  13
  22  Daineko V.     Belarus          .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  0  .  0  .  0  .  0  2  1  0  0  0  *  9 1 1 7  3 67  21
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			TRUUS  in  Minsk-97  OPEN

F.Markevich                      -  TRUUS       0 - 2            02.22 / 02.17
01.35-30 20-25  02.33-29 19-23  03.40-35 14-20  04.45-40 13-19  05.50-45 20-24
06.29*20 15*24  07.38-33 08-13  08.42-38 02-08  09.47-42 10-14  10.33-29 24*33
11.38*29 23-28  12.32*23 19*28  13.31-26 17-22  14.43-38 11-17  15.38-33 17-21
16.26*17 12*21  17.42-38 21-27  18.37-31 06-11  19.41-37 11-17  20.48-43 08-12
21.30-24 07-11  22.38-32 27*38  23.43*23 22-27  24.31*22 17*30  25.35*24 12-17
26.33-28 14-19  27.40-35 19*30  28.35*24 05-10  29.45-40 10-14  30.49-43 16-21
31.37-32 14-19  32.40-35 19*30  33.35*24 09-14  34.36-31 11-16  35.24-20 14-19
36.20-15 21-26  37.39-33 26*37  38.32*41 16-21  39.43-38 03-09  40.44-40 09-14
41.40-35 21-27  42.35-30 18-22  43.41-37 13-18  44.37-32 18-23  45.32*12 23*43
46.12-08 43-49  47.08-02 01-07  48.02*28 49-40  49.34*45 25*32  50.46-41 19-24
51.33-28 32*23  52.41-37 24-29  53.37-32 29-34  54.32-27 23-28  55.27-21 28-32
56.21-17 32-38  57.17-12 38-43  58.12-07 14-19  59.45-40 34*45  60.07-02 19-23
61.02-24 43-48  62.24-47 45-50  63.47-41 23-29  64.41-46 48-25  65.46-05 29-33
66.05-46 33-39  67.46-23 04-10

L.Berezovskaia            -  TRUUS              0 - 2           02.06 / 01.42
01.32-28 19-23  02.28*19 14*23  03.37-32 10-14  04.41-37 05-10  05.46-41 14-19
06.34-29 23*34  07.39*30 17-21  08.32-27 21*32  09.37*28 11-17  10.44-39 10-14
11.50-44 20-24  12.40-34 18-23  13.42-37 23*32  14.37*28 12-18  15.34-29 16-21
16.29*20 14*34  17.39*30 21-26  18.41-37 07-11  19.30-24 19*30  20.35*24 17-22
21.28*17 11*22  22.33-29 13-19  23.24*13 08*19  24.47-42 06-11  25.38-33 09-13
26.44-40 11-17  27.31-27 22*31  28.36*27 15-20  29.43-38 03-09  30.37-31 26*37
31.42*31 01-07  32.40-35 19-23  33.49-44 23*34  34.44-40 34-39  35.33*44 20-24
36.44-39 07-12  37.39-33 09-14  38.40-34 02-07  39.34-30 13-19  40.30-25 18-23
41.38-32 23-29  42.45-40 29*38  43.32*43 04-09  44.43-38 09-13  45.38-33 19-23
46.48-42 12-18  47.31-26 14-19  48.42-38 07-12  49.27-21 18-22  50.21-16 23-28
51.26-21 28*39

TRUUS                     -  M.Korkhov          1 - 1           1.35 / 1.50
01.32-28 18-22  02.37-32 12-18  03.41-37 07-12  04.34-30 01-07  05.46-41 20-25
06.30-24 19*30  07.35*24 14-20  08.39-34 20*29  09.34*23 18*29  10.33*24 22*33
11.38*29 10-14  12.42-38 14-20  13.44-39 05-10  14.39-33 10-14  15.50-44 14-19
16.40-35 19*30  17.35*24 09-14  18.44-40 14-19  19.40-35 19*30  20.35*24 03-09
21.45-40 09-14  22.49-44 14-19  23.40-35 19*30  24.35*24 04-09  25.33-28 17-22
26.28*17 11*22  27.43-39 09-14  28.44-40 14-19  29.31-26 19*30  30.39-34 30*39
31.48-43 39*48  32.29-23 48*31  33.36*09 08-13  34.09*18 02-08  35.40-34 20-24
36.38-33 24-30  37.32-28 30*39  38.33*44 15-20  39.47-42 06-11  40.28-22 20-24
41.42-38 12-17  42.44-40 17*19  43.18-13 25-30  44.13*02 30-35  45.38-33 35*44
46.33-29 24*33  47.02*49 33-39  48.41-37 11-17

T.Tansykugina             -  TRUUS              1 - 1            02.53 / 02.16
01.32-28 18-23  02.33-29 23*32  03.37*28 17-22  04.28*17 11*22  05.39-33 13-18
06.44-39 19-23  07.50-44 16-21  08.35-30 14-19  09.30-24 19*30  10.34*14 23*34
11.40*29 10*19  12.38-32 21-26  13.32-28 26*37  14.28*17 12*21  15.41*32 05-10
16.46-41 08-13  17.41-37 07-12  18.39-34 01-07  19.43-39 10-14  20.42-38 21-26
21.47-42 14-20  22.45-40 19-23  23.32-27 12-17  24.29-24 20*29  25.33*24 17-22
26.40-35 22*31  27.36*27 09-14  28.34-30 23-28  29.38-33 14-20  30.33*22 20*29
31.44-40 07-12  32.49-43 04-10  33.43-38 10-14  34.30-25 06-11  35.37-31 26*37
36.42*31 03-08  37.31-26 18-23  38.38-32 11-16  39.22-17 12*21  40.26*17 13-19
41.27-22 15-20  42.48-43 20-24  43.43-38 08-13  44.32-27 02-08  45.39-34 14-20
46.25*14 19*10  47.27-21 16*18  48.17-11 10-14  49.11-06 14-20  50.38-32 18-22
51.06-01 20-25  52.01-07 22-28  53.32-27 28-33  54.35-30 24*44  55.07-11 29*40
56.11*50 40-45  57.27-22 13-19  58.22-17 23-29  59.17-11 19-23  60.11-06 08-12
61.50-22 45-50  62.22-04 29-34  63.06-01 50-28

TRUUS                    -  Georgieva           2 - 0           02.00 / 02.35
01.34-29 19-23  02.40-34 14-19  03.45-40 10-14  04.50-45 17-22  05.29-24 20*29
06.33*24 19*30  07.34*25 14-19  08.35-30 12-17  09.30-24 19*30  10.25*34 07-12
11.32-28 23*32  12.38*27 17-21  13.42-38 21*32  14.37*17 12*21  15.41-37 21-26
16.31-27 01-07  17.39-33 07-12  18.46-41 05-10  19.37-32 10-14  20.41-37 11-17
21.43-39 14-19  22.34-29 09-14  23.40-34 14-20  24.47-42 19-24  25.45-40 20-25
26.29*20 25*14  27.34-29 03-09  28.40-34 17-21  29.33-28 13-19  30.44-40 08-13
31.39-33 19-24  32.29*20 15*24  33.49-44 02-08  34.34-29 14-20  35.40-34 06-11
36.44-40 20-25  37.29*20 25*14  38.34-29 14-19  39.27-22 18*27  40.37-31 26*37
41.42*22 11-17  42.22*11 16*07  43.36-31 12-18  44.40-35 21-26  45.28-23 26*39
46.23*01 39-44  47.01*23 44-49  48.48-43 49-44  49.29-24 44-11  50.35-30 11-02
51.38-33 02-08  52.43-39 08-03  53.30-25 03-08  54.24-20 08-26  55.33-29 26-17
56.39-34 17-06  57.23-37 06-17  58.29-24 17-44  59.20-15 44-49  60.37-28 13-18
61.28-44 49*20  62.25*14 18-23  63.14-09 04*13  64.15-10 23-29  65.10-04 13-19
66.04-10 

A.Plakhin                 -  TRUUS              1 - 1           02.04 / 02.02
01.32-28 17-22  02.28*17 12*21  03.31-26 07-12  04.26*17 11*22  05.37-32 16-21
06.41-37 21-26  07.33-28 22*33  08.39*28 19-23  09.28*19 14*23  10.46-41 10-14
11.44-39 06-11  12.39-33 20-24  13.50-44 23-28  14.33*22 18*27  15.32*21 26*17
16.43-39 14-19  17.37-32 05-10  18.41-37 10-14  19.34-30 12-18  20.39-33 08-12
21.44-39 18-23  22.36-31 17-22  23.31-27 22*31  24.37*26 13-18  25.32-27 09-13
26.30-25 04-09  27.38-32 23-29  28.40-34 29*38  29.32*43 11-17  30.34-30 02-07
31.43-38 18-22  32.27*18 12*23  33.39-33 14-20  34.25*14 09*20  35.30-25 07-12
36.25*14 19*10  37.48-43 13-18  38.33-28 23*32  39.38*27 10-14  40.42-38 14-19
41.43-39 19-23  42.38-32 15-20  43.47-42 01-07  44.39-33 23-29  45.42-37 29*38
46.32*43 24-29  47.27-21 07-11  48.21-16 17-22  49.16*07 12*01  50.37-32 18-23
51.32-27 22*31  52.26*37 29-33  53.45-40 20-24  54.49-44 01-07  55.44-39 33*44
56.40*49 23-28  57.43-39 03-08  58.49-43 08-13  59.43-38 24-29  60.39-34 29*40
61.35*44 07-12  62.44-39 12-18


TRUUS                     -  L.Volkova          2 - 0           01.02 / 01.10
01.33-28 18-22  02.38-33 12-18  03.31-26 07-12  04.42-38 01-07  05.47-42 19-23
06.28*19 14*23  07.32-28 23*32  08.37*28 10-14  09.41-37 14-19  10.37-32 09-14
11.34-30 16-21  12.30-24 20*29  13.33*24 19*30  14.35*24 22*33  15.38*29 21-27
16.32*21 11-16  17.42-38 16*27  18.46-41 03-09  19.39-33 14-20  20.33-28 05-10
21.28-22 17*28  22.36-31 27*47  23.26-21 47*33  24.29*38 20*29  25.21-17 12*21
26.38-33 28*39  27.43*05 07-11  28.05-37 21-27  29.37-26 13-18  30.40-34 18-22
31.34-29 27-32  32.48-42 22-27  33.49-43 04-09  34.45-40 09-14  35.29-24 

Sadovskaia O.             -  TRUUS              0 - 2           01.58 / 01.12
01.32-28 17-22  02.28*17 11*22  03.37-32 06-11  04.41-37 12-17  05.46-41 08-12
06.34-29 19-23  07.32-28 23*32  08.37*28 14-19  09.41-37 16-21  10.38-32 21-26
11.43-38 10-14  12.40-34 05-10  13.45-40 03-08  14.29-23 18*29  15.34*23 20-24
16.40-34 13-18  17.34-30 18*29  18.31-27 22*31  19.36*27 29-34  20.30-25 34*43
21.48*39 17-21  22.27*16 09-13  23.44-40 12-18  24.32-27 15-20  25.27-22 18*27
26.28-23 19*28  27.33*31 11-17  28.40-34 10-15  29.34-30 13-19  30.38-32 08-13
31.49-43 13-18  32.43-38 04-09  33.39-33 09-13  34.31-27 17-22  35.47-41 22*31
36.41-36 24-29  37.36*27 20-24  38.33-28 18-23  39.50-44 02-08  40.28-22 08-12
41.22-17 12*21  42.27-22 01-06  43.16*27 06-11  44.44-39 07-12  45.39-33 15-20
46.33-28 12-18

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Truus - L. Volkova ( the best combination of the tournament )

[ildjarn]

Truus also played in one of the Geleen Open tournaments, in 1998 I think?

[A.Presman]

Truus also played in one of the Geleen Open tournaments, in 1998 I think?

It was in 1996. But I couldn't find the results. Truus finished there as 3rd I guess.

[mschribr]

The history of computer versus man matches is interesting. Where can find all past computer versus man matches?

[Krzychumag]

It was in 1996. But I couldn't find the results. Truus finished there as 3rd I guess.

Somebody can write how knows what days these tournament were held in.

-- Krzysztof.

[Piet Bouma]

It was in 1996. But I couldn't find the results. Truus finished there as 3rd I guess.

Somebody can write how knows what days these tournament were held in.

-- Krzysztof.

It is in the on-line version of Klaas Bor's Turbodambase
I think you can find there a lot of men-machine.

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1	 Presman,A. (Alexander)	7	4	3	0	11	54	82
2	 Rybakov,I. (Igor)	7	3	4	0	10	58	80
3	 Truus	7	2	5	0	9	56	68
4	 Nitsch,P. (Paul)	7	2	4	1	8	55	56
5	 Heusdens,R.W. (Ron)	7	1	6	0	8	53	61
6	 Verdel,O.A.H. (Ove)	7	2	4	1	8	51	48
7	 Schellekens,P.A. (Peter)	7	2	4	1	8	50	55
8	 Shatsov,P. (Pavel)	7	3	2	2	8	50	49
9	 Heer,de,J.	7	1	6	0	8	45	47
10	 Bremmer,W. (Wim)	7	1	5	1	7	57	55
11	 Vorushilo,V. (Vitali)	7	2	3	2	7	55	43
12	 Michiels,S. (Stephan)	7	1	5	1	7	50	47
13	 Kos,J. (Jeroen)	7	1	5	1	7	47	41
14	 Lewkowicz,J.	7	2	3	2	7	46	38
15	 Heer,de,M. (Maarten)	7	1	4	2	6	47	39
16	 Bergets,D.	7	2	2	3	6	43	27
17	 Mankowski,T. (Tom)	7	2	1	4	5	43	18
18	 Dieters,M. (Mambo)	7	1	2	4	4	41	15
19	 Jannenga,M. (Marcel)	7	1	2	4	4	37	18
20	 Gortel,van,H.D. (Dieter)	7	0	2	5	2	42	9

Sorry, I can't get the table normal

[ildjarn]

Exact dates are 24-5-1996 - 28-5-1996

[Krzychumag]

Exact dates are 24-5-1996 - 28-5-1996

I thank for informatio nildjarn. I am still seeking information about tournament Minsk - 97 Open. I am interested in dates of the game in tournament of the program Truus.

[A.Presman]

Exact dates are 24-5-1996 - 28-5-1996

I thank for informatio nildjarn. I am still seeking information about tournament Minsk - 97 Open. I am interested in dates of the game in tournament of the program Truus.

Have You seen the post above in this topic?
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[Krzychumag]

Have You seen the post above in this topic?
viewtopic.php?p=48118#p48118

He thanks but mean exact dates of the game of the program Truus in tournament Minsk - 97 Open.

-- Krzysztof.