Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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TAILLE
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Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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Hi,

Tomorow in the afternoon (Monday the 9th) (15h french time) will be held in Parthenay (France) an exhibition game between two teams.
The first team will be managed by Jean-Marc NJofang (GMI) with the help of several other strong players
The second team will be held be myself with the help of Damy and Kingsrow.
The initial position will be a position chosen by myself in which white will have a very significant advantage.
At the beginning the "human" team will choose its side : if it choose the white side the challenge for them will be to win, otherwise the challenge will be to draw.
For the time being the position I will propose is of course a secret but it will be a 18x18 position.

Normally you will be able to follow the game on the site http://www.dames10x10.fr/live

Gérard
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Re: Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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Gerard any news related to this event... ?

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Re: Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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Looks like Damy+Kingsrow won one game, and one draw:
http://wikidames.wikispaces.com/actualit%C3%A9s#damy
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Re: Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

Post by Krzychumag »

You can what equipment write Gerard on you played matches - the processor and the memory of frames.
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Re: Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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Hi,

Back to home I can give you some information about the exhibition matches between Damy+Kingsrow team and Ndjofang+Nbongo+Lognon team
exhibition match.JPG
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The imposed initial position was the following

Image
White to move

The first job of the human team was to choose its color under the following conditions:
with the white side the challenge was to win
with the black side the challenge was te draw

After an intense analysis the human team chose the white side in order to try and win.

Here is the game played on Monday 9th July
[Event "Parthenay (France)"][Date "9/7/2012"][White "Ndofang+Nbongo+Lognon"][Black "Damy+Kingsrow"][Result "1-1"][SetUp "1"][FEN "W:W26,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,42,43,44,45,47,48,49,50:B03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,22,25"]
1.37-31 06-11 2.32-27 15-20 3.47-41 19-23 4.41-37 14-19 5.34-30 25x34
6.39x30 17-21 7.26x28 23x21 8.31-26 11-17 9.37-31 07-11 10.33-28 21-27
11.31x22 18x27 12.42-37 09-14 13.38-32 27x38 14.43x32 19-23 15.28x19 14x23
16.32-27 10-14 17.44-39 05-10 18.39-33 12-18 19.30-25 20-24 20.49-43 04-09
21.37-32 24-29 22.33x24 08-12 23.43-38 10-15 24.50-44 14-20 25.25x14 09x29
26.44-39 15-20 27.39-34 20-25 28.48-43 17-22 29.35-30 22x31 30.36x27 11-17
31.30-24 29x20 32.26-21 17x26 33.27-22 18x27 34.32x21 16x27 35.34-30 25x34
36.40x07 *

Damy+Kingsrow won this challenge. Ndjofang team admitted they were surprised by the move 6...17-21

Ndfofang team asked for a retrun match which had been held on Wednesday 11th July

[Event "Parthenay (France)"][Date "11/7/2012"][White "Damy+Kingsrow"][Black "Ndofang+Nbongo+Lognon"][Result "2-0"][SetUp "1"][FEN "W:W26,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,42,43,44,45,47,48,49,50:B03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,22,25"]
1.37-31 06-11 2.32-27 15-20 3.34-30 25x34 4.39x30 19-24 5.30x19 14x23
6.35-30 13-19 7.30-25 08-13 8.25x14 09x20 9.44-39 10-14 10.33-29 23x34
11.39x30 20-25 12.50-44 25x34 13.40x29 14-20 14.43-39 05-10 15.42-37 10-15
16.48-43 04-09 17.47-42 09-14 18.38-32 03-09 19.42-38 20-24 20.29x20 15x24
21.38-33 22-28 22.33x22 17x28 23.32x23 18x29 24.37-32 29-34 25.39x30 24x35
26.32-28 12-18 27.45-40 14-20 28.43-39 20-25 29.40-34 09-14 30.39-33 07-12
31.33-29 14-20 32.49-43 20-24 33.29x20 25x14 34.34-29 14-20 35.28-23 19x28
36.29-24 20x29 37.27-21 16x27 38.31x24 18-23 39.24-20 23-29 40.20-15 29-34
41.15-10 13-18 42.26-21 18-23 43.10-04 23-29 44.43-38 *

The human team played this game very well but they lose in the engame part (41...13-18? instead of 41...11-17!).
Of course we all know that it is not easy to play an endgame against a computer, especially against Damy and Kingsrow, both programs with the 8 pieces database

The configuration I used was not that big:
2 Quad (8 cores) 2,3GHz and 12Gb RAM
I gave 4 threads to Damy and 4 threads to Kingsrow.
I perfectly know that it would have been better to give all the power to only one program because it is obvious that the calculation was basically made twice. In addition there was some concurencies to access the databases on disk by the two programs. But this exhibition match was here only for fun and I prefered to show a team of programs angainst a team of humans rather than a single program against a team of humans.

All participants enjoyed this exhibition and I am then very happy.
Gérard
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Re: Damy+Kingsrow against Ndjofang + other players

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Gerard thanks for the photograph and information about the equipment.
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