International draughts tournament 2024

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by gwiesenekker » Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:56

Hi Krzysztof,

That is what happens with an actively developed program: options and algorithms change all the time. I fully acknowledge (and I think all other programmers with me) all the hard work you put in playing all these engines against each other, many of which do not support the hub and/or the DXP protocols so require manual effort, and having to manage all these installations, settings and yes, options. The results also payed off, as we identified many scalability issues in GWD on your hardware that we addressed by adding, yes, more options.
However, we as programmers also put in a lot of hard work in developing and testing our engines including design choices such as 'Should I include EGTB positions in the training set of the neural network or not', and only after a lot of coding and testing you find the answer for your engine, which BTW often is: 'All these ideas seemed great, why are they not paying off??'. If you then loose a game because of a mis-configuration is tough, but I also forgot to double check with you the configuration of GWD you would be using.
Going forward perhaps it is a good idea to share the configuration that you will be using (a copy of the configuration file, a screenshot) with the programmers before the tournament starts.

Regards,
GW

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri Feb 09, 2024 14:46

gwiesenekker wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:56
Hi Krzysztof,

That is what happens with an actively developed program: options and algorithms change all the time. I fully acknowledge (and I think all other programmers with me) all the hard work you put in playing all these engines against each other, many of which do not support the hub and/or the DXP protocols so require manual effort, and having to manage all these installations, settings and yes, options. The results also payed off, as we identified many scalability issues in GWD on your hardware that we addressed by adding, yes, more options.
However, we as programmers also put in a lot of hard work in developing and testing our engines including design choices such as 'Should I include EGTB positions in the training set of the neural network or not', and only after a lot of coding and testing you find the answer for your engine, which BTW often is: 'All these ideas seemed great, why are they not paying off??'. If you then loose a game because of a mis-configuration is tough, but I also forgot to double check with you the configuration of GWD you would be using.
Going forward perhaps it is a good idea to share the configuration that you will be using (a copy of the configuration file, a screenshot) with the programmers before the tournament starts.

Regards,
GW
I also thought about what you wrote. So now I will also provide screenshots of the program settings, if possible (it is not possible in all programs).

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by gwiesenekker » Fri Feb 09, 2024 15:37

Thanks Krzysztof and we are all looking forward to the results of the next round!

Regards,
GW

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri Feb 09, 2024 20:19

Round 5 will take place on 16.02.2024.

Scan 3.1 - Dragon Pro 4.6.2
Sjende Blyn (Febuary 4th 2024) - Ares 1.63d
Horizon 5.0 - Damage 16.1
Kingsrow 1.63 - Maximus 2.02
Edeon Sport 5.4.312 - Moby Dam (Jul 12 2023)
Truus voor Windows 1.0 - Flits 3.02
Tornado 7.20n - TD King 2020
Cerberus 2.3 - Dream 3.X.3
GWD 3.7 - Plus 500 6.55.1.3

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:06

The tournament will feature an engine change Sjende Blyn, from version Sjende Blyn (Febuary 4th 2024) to version Sjende Blyn (Febuary 12th 2024). The new version of the program Plus 500 6.55.1.10 will replace the previous version 6.55.1.3.

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Feb 13, 2024 23:06

New update of the program Tornado in the tournament from version 7.20n to version 7.20r.

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Feb 17, 2024 07:17

Results of the fifth round of the tournament "International draughts tournament 2024".

Scan 3.1 - Dragon Pro 4.6.2 1-1
Sjende Blyn (Febuary 4th 2024) - Ares 1.63d 1-1
Horizon 5.0 - Damage 16.1 1-1
Kingsrow 1.63 - Maximus 2.02 1-1
Edeon Sport 5.4.312 - Moby Dam (Jul 12 2023) 1-1
Truus voor Windows 1.0 - Flits 3.02 1-1
Tornado 7.20r - TD King 2020 1-1
Cerberus 2.3 - Dream 3.X.3 1-1
GWD 3.7 - Plus 500 6.55.1.10 2-0

Round 6 - I will inform the forum when it will take place.

Ares 1.63d - Dragon Pro 4.6.2
Kingsrow 1.63 - Scan 3.1
Damage 16.1 - Edeon Sport 5.4.312
Horizon 5.0 - Sjende Blyn (Febuary 12th 2024)
Maximus 2.02 - Truus voor Windows 1.0
Moby Dam (Jul 12 2023) - GWD 3.7
TD King 2020 - Cerberus 2.3
Flits 3.02 - Dream 3.X.3
Plus 500 6.55.1.10 - Tornado 7.20r

More information about the tournament can be seen on the website https://www.draughtsprograms.eu/SwissTo ... eGames.php and https://results.fmjd.org/tournaments/2024/f_51/

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Feb 19, 2024 13:39

Round 6 the tournament " International draughts tournament 2024 " take place on 24.02.2024.

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Feb 20, 2024 09:15

New update of the program Dream in the tournament from version 3.X.3 to version 3.X.4.

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:09

New update of the program Sjende Blyn in the tournament from version Febuary 12th 2024 to version Febuary 21th 2024.

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Feb 24, 2024 15:21

Results of round 6 of the tournament " International draughts tournament 2024 ".

Ares 1.63d - Dragon Pro 4.6.2 1-1
Kingsrow 1.63 - Scan 3.1 1-1
Damage 16.1 - Edeon Sport 5.4.312 1-1
Horizon 5.0 - Sjende Blyn (Febuary 12th 2024) 1-1
Maximus 2.02 - Truus voor Windows 1.0 1-1
Moby Dam (Jul 12 2023) - GWD 3.7 1-1
TD King 2020 - Cerberus 2.3 2-0
Flits 3.02 - Dream 3.X.4 2-0
Plus 500 6.55.1.10 - Tornado 7.20r 0-2

Round 7 - I will inform the forum when it will take place.

Dragon Pro 4.6.2 - Maximus 2.02
Scan 3.1 - Horizon 5.0
Edeon Sport 5.4.312 - Ares 1.63d
Sjende Blyn (Febuary 21th 2024) - Damage 16.1
TD King 2020 - Kingsrow 1.63
GWD 3.7 - Flits 3.02
Cerberus 2.3 - Moby Dam (Jul 12 2023)
Dream 3.X.4 - Tornado 7.20r
Truus voor Windows 1.0 - Plus 500 6.55.1.10

For more information about the tournament, please visit the website https://www.draughtsprograms.eu/SwissTo ... eGames.php and
https://results.fmjd.org/tournaments/2024/f_51/

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Re: International draughts tournament 2024

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Feb 27, 2024 15:44

Ronda 7 will be played on 03.03.2024. I am very sorry to all those interested, I have to change it to 04.03.2024.

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