Internet engine matches

[BertTuyt]

Herewith some Kingsrow - Flits Match results.

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Match                             W     L      D      ELO
Kingsrow 1 Min  - Flits 1 Min     29    7     122     49
Kingsrow 10 Min - Flits 1 Min     48    2     108     104
Kingsrow 1 Min  - Flits 10 Min    7     19    132     -26

So Flits ELO increases with 49 + 26 = 75 , whereas the increase for Kingsrow is 104 - 49 = 55

For those interested the match games.

Bert

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.3.1 (64 bit standaard) 12 wins, 12 losses, 133 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Move

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.3.1 (64 bit standaard) 9 wins, 7 losses, 141 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Move

[BertTuyt]

Thanks for this interesting match initiative , and thanks for sharing the results.

What was the hardware used for this match,did the 2 programs run on 1 machine?

Last but not least it would help me if you would include the match result in your post, so I don't need to browse through all games.

Bert

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Thanks for this interesting match initiative , and thanks for sharing the results.

What was the hardware used for this match,did the 2 programs run on 1 machine?

Last but not least it would help me if you would include the match result in your post, so I don't need to browse through all games.

Bert

Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium (Service Pack 1). Procesor i7 2670QM with memory of frames DDR3 1333 MHz 16 GB.

[BertTuyt]

Thanks for the information, "sounds"" like an expensive Notebook...

Bert

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Thanks for the information, "sounds"" like an expensive Notebook...

Bert

Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.

[BertTuyt]

Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.

Good choice. This one is also on my "shopping list".
In Holland the price is around 549 euro.
It would be perfect for storing a 8p Database, with superfast access as a result.

I now use a smaller SSD for my 7p Database, and it is really helpful..

Bert

[Walter]

Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.

Good choice. This one is also on my "shopping list".
In Holland the price is around 549 euro.
It would be perfect for storing a 8p Database, with superfast access as a result.

I now use a smaller SSD for my 7p Database, and it is really helpful..

Bert

There is always a faster option just around the corner

My wish list for a 2015 draughts machine:

72-Cores Intel Knights Landing CPU
512GB RAM
1TB PCIe SSD memory card (like OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2)

Walter

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Walter have a question to You. Whether You have a program Dragon.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON (3-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.4.0 (64 bit standaard) 7 losses ,6 wins, 144 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Move

[Catherine]

Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.

[MichelG]

Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.

Dragon and Kingsrow are much closer in strength than these results appear to show. I think dragon is winning the 1 minute match 25 to 3, because kingsrow is not configured optimally. It is probably the hash table; 512 MB hash is too much at this level on Krzysztof's hardware. I don't know what the best value is for kingsrow, but with 128 MB hash for each minute of gametime it should do better.

In dragon 4.4, it is no longer possible to assign too much space for hashtables since the hashtable size is automatically set to the optimal amount for the hardware it is running on.

Michel

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.

Dragon and Kingsrow are much closer in strength than these results appear to show. I think dragon is winning the 1 minute match 25 to 3, because kingsrow is not configured optimally. It is probably the hash table; 512 MB hash is too much at this level on Krzysztof's hardware. I don't know what the best value is for kingsrow, but with 128 MB hash for each minute of gametime it should do better.

In dragon 4.4, it is no longer possible to assign too much space for hashtables since the hashtable size is automatically set to the optimal amount for the hardware it is running on.

Michel

Obviously that oneself made a mistake, for what warmly apologize Ed. What to short times this adjust for both programmes 256 mb. It thanks also Michel that turned on then attention.

[Catherine]

Thank Michel for the precision, Kingsrow is the best program to test another. And it is clear that beat it mean that Dragon has been improved since 2.4 version. Thank for all the job that you, ED, Bert and the others doing for us, fans of software. Thank again and God bless you all!!!