Position of KNDB in the FMJD crisis

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Theo van den Hoek

Position of KNDB in the FMJD crisis

Post by Theo van den Hoek » Tue Jun 10, 2003 09:09

Position of KNDB in the FMJD crisis

Preamble
KNDB deeply regrets the crisis situation of this moment. In the interest of international draughts, everything should be done to re-establish a sense of unity and co-operation within the FMJD, as soon as possible. There is a lot of ¡¥normal¡¦ work waiting to be done! In order to find quick and adequate solutions for our problems, we should act:
- always strictly in accordance with the FMJD Statutes,
- pragmatically, with an emphasis on "looking ahead" instead of "looking back",
- realising that no further damage must be done to the image and prestige of FMJD and international draughts.


Analysis of actual situation
1. The General Assembly of 17-18 May as such was a legitimate meeting, properly convoked and organised in accordance with the Statutes.

2. After the Saturday session, eleven federations protested against "irregularities" in that day's decisions on accreditation and voting rights. In their view:
- (England,) Wales and RIDF, not being national federations, should have been denied FMJD membership, and, as a consequence, should have been denied voting rights;
- England and Senegal, allegedly being federations in debt, should have been denied voting rights.

3. KNDB disagrees with these criticisms and with the arguments involved. However, discussing this here and now in more detail would easily lead to an endless dispute and would serve no purpose at all.
Instead, let us concentrate on the crucial question: what are the practical consequences of the fact that the validity of Saturday¡¦s votings is under dispute?

4. In our view, the disputed acceptances of England, Wales, Senegal and RIDF as (voting) member federations should be put on the agenda of the next GA again, in order to either (re)confirm or cancel these decisions.

5. It is absolutely evident that all unanimous decisions of 17 May (i.e. all decisions made without explicit voting) remain valid, because the dispute cannot possibly have had any influence on the outcome of these decisions.
So, there is no doubt that the General Secretary Rik Devroe, the Treasurer Jaap Bus and the Section 100 sq. tournament directors Henri Macaux and Ms Eleonora Bubbi are legally elected CD members.

6. On the other hand, it is evident that the validity of the re-election of Wouter van Beek as president FMJD is directly affected by the dispute. But in this case, a new situation presents itself: Wouter van Beek has announced his resignation within two months, which necessitates to look for a new president FMJD anyway.

7. Just for the record: when the GA was closed on Sunday afternoon, a number of delegates stayed behind for an informal gathering, by some of them wrongly called ¡§the last part of the GA¡¨. This gathering however did not qualify as a legal FMJD meeting in any proper sense of the word. As a consequence, KNDB does not recognise any of the ¡§decisions¡¨ that reportedly have been made in that gathering.


How to go further?
8. We urgently need a new (Extraordinary) General Assembly, to be held as soon as possible. We would like it to be hosted by Poland, and we would like Mr Jacek Pawlicki, vice-president of FMJD, act as the chairman, enabling Wouter van Beek to keep a lower profile in the meeting.

9. This GA should be carefully prepared by the CD as a team. At the start of the GA, we need a definitive and unanimous CD statement on the financial status of each of the member federations, and on their proposed acceptance as a member. These issues should be well-prepared: any renewed disputes about them during the meeting itself would be a waste of time.

10. KNDB's opinions on these issues are as follows:
- Statutory regulations on "debt and voting rights" should always be strictly followed.
- England and Wales are fully recognised as members of international sports organisations like FIFA and FIDE; it would be foolish not to accept them as FMJD member federations in draughts as well.
- KNDB is strongly in favour of a unification (as soon as possible!) of the two Russian federations. However, if forced to make a choice, KNDB will always be primarily interested in keeping close relations with the federation to which the world champions and other top players belong. So, if RIDF should ever be denied the FMJD (section 100) membership, this would constitute a very serious problem for KNDB-FMJD relations.

11. The Extraordinary GA will elect a new FMJD President.
KNDB recognises the candidature of Mr Ivan Shovkoplyas, and will gladly accept him as our new FMJD president if elected. KNDB will not nominate a Dutch rival candidate for the presidency.

12. Although there are no other actual CD vacancies, the option of creating an extra vice-president post should be taken into serious consideration, for a person who:
- could support Mr. Shovkoplyas in the essential task of communicating with the anglophone and the francophone draughts world;
- could perform some executive and managerial tasks, and supervise the FMJD bureau in Amsterdam.
KNDB will try to nominate a new Dutch candidate for this position, not being Wouter van Beek or Harm Wiersma.



13. As a ceterum censeo, KNDB wants to insist that the CD and the GA:
- will prepare and hold their meetings strictly in accordance with the statutes,
- will do whatever is necessary to have a maximum number of federations represented at the Extraordinary GA,
- will see to it that all issues of the original 17-18 May agenda will be dealt with at the Extraordinary GA,
- will assure to all federations that the official international tournaments already scheduled in the 2003 calendar, will normally take place,
- will adequately pay tribute to Wouter van Beek, doing justice to an FMJD presidency of eleven (!) years.

KNDB sincerely hopes for a bright future for international draughts, with a restored fruitful and friendly co-operation with and among all federations and confederations of FMJD.


Theo van den Hoek,
President of KNDB

Wieger Wesselink

Post by Wieger Wesselink » Tue Jun 10, 2003 15:39

KNDB will try to nominate a new Dutch candidate for this position, not being Wouter van Beek or Harm Wiersma.
What is the reason for ruling out Harm Wiersma as a candidate?

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Post by Jacques PERMAL » Wed Jun 11, 2003 17:52

Please receive KNDB statement in french langyage :


Crise de la FMJD : Position de la KNDB


Préambule

La KNDB regrette profondément la situation de crise actuelle. Tout doit être rapidement mis en Å“uvre afin de restaurer le sens de l’unité et de la coopération au sein de la FMJD dans l’intérêt du jeu de dames. Beaucoup de travail nous attend.
Dans le but de remédier à cette situation nous devons :
- Toujours décider dans le respect strict des statuts de la FMJD,
- Avoir toujours une vision pragmatique vers l’avenir et non vers le passé,
- Réaliser que les dégats actuels et futurs ne peuvent que nuire à l’image et au prestige de la FMJD et du jeu de dames.

Analyse de la situation actuelle

1. L’assemblée générale du 17-18 mai a été légalement convoquée et organisée en accord avec les statuts.

2. A la suite de la session de samedi, onze fédérations se sont élevées contre des irrégularités concernant les accréditations et les droits de vote. De leur point de vue :

-L’Angleterre, le Pays de Galles et la deuxième fédération russe ne sont pas des fédérations nationales et n’auraient pas dû bénéficier du droit de vote.

-L’Angleterre et le Sénégal, non à jour de cotisation, n’auraient pas dû bénéficier du droit de vote.

3. La KNDB se démarque de ces critiques et des arguments les accompagnant. Toutefois, les discussions sans fin ne serviront aucun objectif quel qu’il soit.
Alors il faut que nous nous concentrions sur le problème crucial, à savoir les conséquences concrètes de ce désaccord sur les droits de vote.

4. La KNDB souhaite que les problèmes anglais, gallois, sénégalais et russe ( deuxième fédération) soient à l’ordre du jour à la prochaine assemblée extraordinaire dans le but de confirmer ou d’annuler les décisions prises.

5. Il est absolument évident que les décisions prises à l’unanimité le 17 mai restent valables car sans influences sur le sort sur les décisions disputées à l’A.G.
Donc il n’y a aucun doute que le Secrétaire Général, le Trésorier et les Directeurs des tournois 100 cases ( Rik Devroe, Jaap Bus, Henri Macaux et Eléonora Bubbi) sont légalement des membres du comité directeur.

7 D’autre part il devient évident que la réélection de Wouter van Beek à la présidence est directement affectée par ces désaccords. Dans ce cas la suite logique en découle : M. Van Beek doit annoncer sa démission d’ici deux mois, délai nécessaire pour élire un nouveau président.

7 Juste pour information : un certain nombre de délégués se sont réunis pour une assemblée informelle à la suite de l’A.G du 18 mai. Cette réunion ne peut être qualifiée « d’assemblée FMJD » En conséquence, la KNDB ne reconnaît pas les décisions votées par cette pseudo assemblée.

Que faire pour aller de l’avant ?

Nous devons organiser en urgence une nouvelle assemblée générale Extraordinaire.
Nous souhaiterions qu’elle soit accueillie par la Pologne et que M. Jacek Pawlicki,
vice-président de la FMJD, se substitue au Président, amoindrissant ainsi le rôle de Wouter Van Beek à cette réunion.
Cette A.G serait soigneusement préparé par tout le comité directeur. Nous souhaiterions une déclaration unanime du C.D sur la situation de chaque fédération par rapport aux obligations financières vis-à-vis de la FMJD. Et leur acceptation en dépendrait. Ce point doit être bien préparé : toute nouvelle dispute à ce sujet serait source de perte de temps.

Les positions de la KNDB sur ce débat sont les suivantes :

a) Les articles des statuts concernant les dettes et les droits de votes doivent être strictement respectés.
b) L’Angleterre et le Pays de Galles sont des membres à parts entières d’organisations telles que la FIFA et la FIDE. Ce serait une erreur de ne pas leur accorder le même statut.
c) La KNDB désire fortement une unification des deux fédérations russes. Toutefois si elle est forcée de choisir, la KNDB ne pourrait ignorer une fédération composée des forts joueurs de Russie. Ce qui engendrerait de sérieux problèmes relationnels entre la KNDB et la FMJD.

1 L’assemblée générale extraordinaire devra élire un nouveau président pour la FMJD. La KNDB reconnaît la candidature de M. Ivan Chovkoplias et accueillerait sa victoire avec joie s’il remportait cette élection.
La KNDB ne désignera pas un candidat concurrent à la présidence.

Bien qu’il n’y ait pas réellement de postes vacants au C.D, l’option de création d’un poste de vice-président supplémentaire devra être sérieusement considérée. Ce membre serait chargé de suppléer M. Chovkoplias dans l’essentiel des tâches de communication en direction du monde anglophone et francophone, et, pourrait exercer des missions de pilotage et de management et superviser le bureau de la FMJD à Amsterdam.
La KNDB appuiera une candidature néerlandaise pour exercer à ce niveau.

6. La KNDB insiste qu’il est nécessaire, de préparer et de conduire les réunions en stricte conformité avec les statuts, que le C.D doit tout mettre en Å“uvre afin qu’il y ait un maximum de fédérations représentées à L’A.G extraordinaire, que les sujets de crise soient débattus à cette A.G, de préserver le calendrier international déjà en place pour 2003, de rendre hommage à Wouter Van Beek pour son travail à la présidence de la FMJD durant onze ans.

La KNDB espère sincèrement un avenir brillant pour le jeu de dames avec un retour de la coopération fructueuse et amicale entre et parmi les fédérations composant la FMJD.


Théo van den Hoek, Président de la KNDB
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Post by shadow » Fri Jun 13, 2003 00:46

Letter of Mr. Renzo Tondo – President Italian Draughts Federation

Italian draughts Federation agree a part of the proposal of President KNDB, but does not agree with the obligation of removal Mr. Van Beek.

First day, the representative of Federations in A.G. have freely exerted the right of vote and at the end of A.G. all countries had accepted the results of ballots.

None when have take acknowledge of the ballots has raise up and said that they don’t agree and wanted continue the discussion, and anyone has said the Agenda is not followed, we refusal to vote before the candidates for the other charged..

They thought in the night to do the day after a motion, refusal all that happen the day before ecc.ecc.

Italian Draughts Federation fixed the point that for the next 4 years Mr. Van Beek is the President.

Our proposal is to elect Mr. Chokovplyas as President Honour or as co-President Honour with the right to share the travels and meeting that Mr. Van Beek will do as President and that Mr. Van Beek should to take part to the meeting with sponsors. Mr. Bubka, the Ukrainian Government.
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I wish to add a thing: F.I.D. has organized many Championship for the FMJD during many years, and also for EDC one Youth Championship.

Our political idea in FMJD is to growth the International draughts first of all for the youth, for dilettantism and not professional life style.

It is important to understand that we have not a big appeal by media as football, bridge or chess, for a lot of motivations. No movement, many times for a move, it is not considered a play for a high social level ecc.ecc.
The global world and the Euro introduction has also helped to have not more possibility to find money, because the life cost is more expensive for a lot of persons, so persons don’t spent money, factory has less production and so on.

In any case by our part we’ll take contact with Mr. Bubka and the Ukrainian Ambassador that is a good friend. to be understanding the situation, and also to understand sponsors probability in Ukrainian.

Renzo Tondo – President Italian Draughts Federation

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Post by Y.Koyfman » Sun Jun 15, 2003 15:18

Theo van den Hoek wrote:Position of KNDB in the FMJD crisis

Preamble
KNDB deeply regrets the crisis situation of this moment. In the interest of international draughts, everything should be done to re-establish a sense of unity and co-operation within the FMJD, as soon as possible. There is a lot of "normal" work waiting to be done! In order to find quick and adequate solutions for our problems, we should act:
- always strictly in accordance with the FMJD Statutes,
- pragmatically, with an emphasis on "looking ahead" instead of "looking back",
- realising that no further damage must be done to the image and prestige of FMJD and international draughts.


Analysis of actual situation
1. The General Assembly of 17-18 May as such was a legitimate meeting, properly convoked and organised in accordance with the Statutes.
Nothing is less true. Even a biggest optimists in the world cannot negate that several points of the Stattutes ( at least Articles V, XIII en XIV of the Bye Laws) have been infringed. And this is the main reason of all problems we have now.
Theo van den Hoek wrote: 2. After the Saturday session, eleven federations protested against "irregularities" in that day's decisions on accreditation and voting rights. In their view:
- (England,) Wales and RIDF, not being national federations, should have been denied FMJD membership, and, as a consequence, should have been denied voting rights;
- England and Senegal, allegedly being federations in debt, should have been denied voting rights.

3. KNDB disagrees with these criticisms and with the arguments involved. However, discussing this here and now in more detail would easily lead to an endless dispute and would serve no purpose at all.
Instead, let us concentrate on the crucial question: what are the practical consequences of the fact that the validity of Saturday's votings is under dispute?

4. In our view, the disputed acceptances of England, Wales, Senegal and RIDF as (voting) member federations should be put on the agenda of the next GA again, in order to either (re)confirm or cancel these decisions.

5. It is absolutely evident that all unanimous decisions of 17 May (i.e. all decisions made without explicit voting) remain valid, because the dispute cannot possibly have had any influence on the outcome of these decisions.
So, there is no doubt that the General Secretary Rik Devroe, the Treasurer Jaap Bus and the Section 100 sq. tournament directors Henri Macaux and Ms Eleonora Bubbi are legally elected CD members.
It is remarkable, that in the meeting on May 23, which took place in Zwartsuis in presence of Mr.van den Hoek, Mr. Y.Koyfman and Mr. Yatsenko ( Mr. Yatsenko came for this meeting specially from Kiev to Zwartsluis ) Mr. van den Hoek informed that KNDB decided in favor of the "Zero-variant", that means that all decisions of GA are unvalid and GA has to be treated as not happened.
In just two days he came with absolutely different position.
It is more than evident that FMJD can not become working body if the key persons will not have mutual confidence.
And this is just unbealeavable that Mr. Shovkoplyas will agree with compromated candidates for the Secretary and the Treasurer. The impossibility to combine recognition of Mr. Shovkoplyas with above statement makes all concept meaningless.
It would be very kind if KNDB would suggest other candidates for this function(s).
Theo van den Hoek wrote: 6. On the other hand, it is evident that the validity of the re-election of Wouter van Beek as president FMJD is directly affected by the dispute. But in this case, a new situation presents itself: Wouter van Beek has announced his resignation within two months, which necessitates to look for a new president FMJD anyway.

7. Just for the record: when the GA was closed on Sunday afternoon, a number of delegates stayed behind for an informal gathering, by some of them wrongly called "the last part of the GA". This gathering however did not qualify as a legal FMJD meeting in any proper sense of the word. As a consequence, KNDB does not recognise any of the "decisions" that reportedly have been made in that gathering.
Typical game. There is no any doubt that Mr. van den Hoek knows that it was not "a number of delegates" but absolute majority of federations.That means that GA simply refused to stop its work and decided to continue. And it is just pity that Netherlands didn't take part in it. Otherwise Mr. van den Hoek could report to the managing board of the KNDB that everyting there was concise, practical, emphatically according to Statutes and in real concordance of 11 federations.
Theo van den Hoek wrote: How to go further?
8. We urgently need a new (Extraordinary) General Assembly, to be held as soon as possible. We would like it to be hosted by Poland, and we would like Mr Jacek Pawlicki, vice-president of FMJD, act as the chairman, enabling Wouter van Beek to keep a lower profile in the meeting.

9. This GA should be carefully prepared by the CD as a team. At the start of the GA, we need a definitive and unanimous CD statement on the financial status of each of the member federations, and on their proposed acceptance as a member. These issues should be well-prepared: any renewed disputes about them during the meeting itself would be a waste of time.

10. KNDB's opinions on these issues are as follows:
- Statutory regulations on "debt and voting rights" should always be strictly followed.
- England and Wales are fully recognised as members of international sports organisations like FIFA and FIDE; it would be foolish not to accept them as FMJD member federations in draughts as well.
In this point for the first time Mr. van den Hoek looses his courtesy. Affiliation of Wales is certailnly not that easy question. ( there is no Olympic Commitee in Wales and evidently big majority of Olympic sports have only federation of Great Britain ). Also even people in the world of checkers game doubt if this federation exists in reality or just on paper. It is pretty sure that Mr. van den Hoek simply feels his personal fault in the course of the GA. Pity that he doesn't want to recognise it.
All handling aroung Wales brings to memory how during the GA 1996 H.Durdyev from Turkmenistran suddenly received extra ballot for the Asian Confederation (in favor of Mr. van Beek) and so van Beek pushed away V.Ptitsyn (then Minister of Finance of Yakutia)
Theo van den Hoek wrote: - KNDB is strongly in favour of a unification (as soon as possible!) of the two Russian federations. However, if forced to make a choice, KNDB will always be primarily interested in keeping close relations with the federation to which the world champions and other top players belong. So, if RIDF should ever be denied the FMJD (section 100) membership, this would constitute a very serious problem for KNDB-FMJD relations.
It is so simple to declare. Especially if your goal is to show your loyality to top players.
Does Mr. van den Hoek know the opinion of the Russian Sport Ministry? And does he like to step into the delicate area of foreign affairs? In Russia where a lot of people is suffering from the bloody attempts of separatisme the authorities are very sensible to any separatism in sport. Sport federation based on ethnic republic without national coverage has very complicated position in eyes of central authorities.
None is against top players. New management begins from the care about them and will do all the best to help them and protect them.
But it is evident that the only solution of the problem is joining of two federations. Therefore FMJD has established during the last meeting commission from H.Wiersma, A.Presman and C.Bat-Erdene which received from both side confidence to look for the solution.
So the bold point after "KNDB is strongly in favour of a unification (as soon as possible!) of the two Russian federations." would be just enough and would avoid KNDB from areas where it doisn't need to come.
Theo van den Hoek wrote: 11. The Extraordinary GA will elect a new FMJD President.
KNDB recognises the candidature of Mr Ivan Shovkoplyas, and will gladly accept him as our new FMJD president if elected. KNDB will not nominate a Dutch rival candidate for the presidency.

12. Although there are no other actual CD vacancies, the option of creating an extra vice-president post should be taken into serious consideration, for a person who:
- could support Mr. Shovkoplyas in the essential task of communicating with the anglophone and the francophone draughts world;
- could perform some executive and managerial tasks, and supervise the FMJD bureau in Amsterdam.
KNDB will try to nominate a new Dutch candidate for this position, not being Wouter van Beek or Harm Wiersma.
Wouter van Beek received multiple non-confidence from draughts countries. Opposite, Harm Wiersma is many times suggested by draughts countries as the candidate. He is even never put his own candidature. He stood and stays for the general interests of draughts sport which were many times ignored. It is really strange that KNDB does not show the same respect to the player and person who made so much for national and international draughts.

Theo van den Hoek wrote:

13. As a ceterum censeo, KNDB wants to insist that the CD and the GA:
- will prepare and hold their meetings strictly in accordance with the statutes,
- will do whatever is necessary to have a maximum number of federations represented at the Extraordinary GA,
- will see to it that all issues of the original 17-18 May agenda will be dealt with at the Extraordinary GA,
- will assure to all federations that the official international tournaments already scheduled in the 2003 calendar, will normally take place,
- will adequately pay tribute to Wouter van Beek, doing justice to an FMJD presidency of eleven (!) years.
No problem there. It is even not necessary to "insist".
Even the last point wouldn't be a problem. Of course the condition is that the ex-President will not use the time remaining till the Assembly for making critical situation even worse. His interview to media ( wich deserves juridical prosecution ) and try-out for desinformation the national federations can only make this problematic.
Theo van den Hoek wrote:
KNDB sincerely hopes for a bright future for international draughts, with a restored fruitful and friendly co-operation with and among all federations and confederations of FMJD.
Dum spiro spero
Theo van den Hoek wrote: Theo van den Hoek,
President of KNDB
I.Koyfman
a.i. General Secretary FMJD
GMI

David Levy

Crisis in the FMJD

Post by David Levy » Sun Jun 15, 2003 20:23

One of the most unfortunate aspects of the present struggle is that it has become a battle between individuals, with different federations taking different sides. This is extremely destructive and clearly a solution must be found.

But in all that I have heard in Zwartsluis and all that I have seen on this web site I do not find concrete statements about what people believe is fundamentally wrong with the FMJD and/or what needs to be done to rectify the problems. No matter what people think is wrong, and no matter what the solutions are to the various problems in the FMJD, it is surely simplistic to believe that one individual is responsible for all the wrongs or that one indivdual can put right all the problems.

Would it not be a constructive approach for all the member federations to say what they believe is wrong with the FMJD and to propose solutions for each of their proposed "wrongs"? This could be a starting point for the future. Everyone should take note of the complaints of everyone else, and then these points can all be discussed, preferably in a calm atmosphere.

I have seen suggestions that the wishes of the top players are not well enough represented. This has also been a complaint in FIDE, ever since the mid-1980s. In Chess there have been various "professional" associations formed during the past 18 years or so, but up to now each one has foundered because the top players have not proved to be the top Chess diplomats. Perhaps the situation in Dames is different. In any event, the top players should certainly have their voice in the FMJD.

Is it not possible for the people contributing to this debate to start to make constructive suggestions for the future of the FMJD, without attacking individuals? With constructive debate most of the problems in the FMJD might be solved.

David Levy

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Post by pieter hildering » Sun Jun 15, 2003 21:36

dear mr levie,
one has to understand that the decontructive work within the fmjd as you
say so is already an issue for more years. ofcourse the blame is not with
some persons but fundamentely we see difficulties over the years. today
it is obvious that some of the people involved can not continue to work out
solutions as that will be difficult to accept. the split between fmjd and former sovjet states is noticed for several years and was working like a
timebomb. today the bomb has exploded and it is wise now to accept the
situation as it is today. dont look back because their is nothing to repair.
focus on this new phase and let the new team do their work. nothing is in
this moment excluded from this but first target is to get a dialog between
former sovjest states and the dutch federation under new command.
koyfman is right for most part of his statement but he also has to realize
that we dutch are different . due to a lack of knowledge about how
eastern europe handels things there is misunderstanding. i often realize this
also in my business with the russians and checks. so the first approach
establish to work is a mutual understanding. that is the most important job for our new chaairman of holland.
new times are their so forget the old days.

David Levy

Crisis in the FMJD

Post by David Levy » Mon Jun 16, 2003 11:56

Dear Mr Hildering

Your reply is the first time I have seen any concrete points mentioned to explain the present crisis. Thank you for this.

I agree with you that the future is more important than the past, but it is still essential in my opinion for the problems of the past to be known and understood in order to create a better future.

What are the other major problems apart from the split with the former Soviet countries?

David Levy

AS

Post by AS » Mon Jun 16, 2003 20:44

Y.Koyfman wrote:It is so simple to declare. Especially if your goal is to show your loyality to top players.
Does Mr. van den Hoek know the opinion of the Russian Sport Ministry?
Mr. van den Hoek informed, that the Dutch federation always will be on the side of world champions, strong players. Somebody does not support this position? Somebody sees in it intervention in foreign affairs? Or mr. Y.Koyfman which never lived in Russia and already very much for a long time does not live in the USSR most better knows a state of affairs, opinion of the ministry of sports of Russia? Then he should know, that mr. Klimashev, from words which he scoops the information, is not the citizen of Russia and under the law cannot head the Russian sports federation, thus activity of this federation with him in the head in territory of Russia is not lawful. Probably, mr. Y.Koyfman knows, that new federation RIDF has been formed, as the answer that in Russia the championships on "100" have ceased to be carried out, as the answer on not the valid relation to players in "100".
Y.Koyfman wrote:In Russia where a lot of people is suffering from the bloody attempts of separatisme the authorities are very sensible to any separatism in sport
Very unsuccessful and, in my opinion, the offensive argument which is not corresponding to the validity. It would be possible to result more vivid examples from a life of Israel.
Y.Koyfman wrote:Sport federation based on ethnic republic without national coverage has very complicated position in eyes of central authorities.
RIDF unites ALL players "100" in Russia and in the proof to this absence even one of them on organized at the end of May mr. Klimashev so-called cups of Russia on "100". RIDF has headquarters in Ufa because in this republic the basic are at present concentrated draughts forces of Russia. But RIDF not the ethnic federation, is the inter-regional organization which unites draughts players of all regions of Russia in whom are cultivated international draughts. RIDF admits as the Russian ministry of sports as the subject of negotiations on development and popularizations of our game. I shall remind you, that RIDF lately has organized and has carried out at the highest level some official world competitions, which do not go in any comparison with organized mr. Klimashev in 2000 the scandalous world championship.
Y.Koyfman wrote:None is against top players.
Try to deny here, that you have not thrown to face of the world champion among women on GA contemptiously: " Any champions."
Y.Koyfman wrote:New management begins from the care about them and will do all the best to help them and protect them.
But it is evident that the only solution of the problem is joining of two federations. Therefore FMJD has established during the last meeting commission from H.Wiersma, A.Presman and C.Bat-Erdene which received from both side confidence to look for the solution.
So the bold point after "KNDB is strongly in favour of a unification (as soon as possible!) of the two Russian federations." would be just enough and would avoid KNDB from areas where it doisn't need to come
I shall not challenge intention, but that " the new management" insists on association with " federation mr. Klimashev ", from which players have been compelled to leave, which the alternative world championships disorganizes FMJD, forces to doubt of these intentions. In this connection, the position of the Dutch federation is clearer, is consecutive and full. If as earlier management FMJD clearly and consistently behaved, we would not have now crisis in this organization .

A.Soerkov, Rassian player

Jacques PERMAL
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Who is he ?

Post by Jacques PERMAL » Tue Jun 17, 2003 09:21

Please someone tell me : Who is really Mr Klimachev ?

I don't know him.

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pieter hildering
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Post by pieter hildering » Wed Jun 18, 2003 23:51

to david,
key problem besides the relation between fmjd and former sovjet union
is of course the ongoing lack of funds. this will not change on short term
but has not been a priority for many years. lets face it if money is in the sport developed most problems are solved overnight. i do not understand
why a sportsorganisation like fmjd never looked for one sponser that
guarantees the exsistance of the fmjd. the fmjd should be run as a company but you need to have management skills to do so. also the
relation between fmjd and top players has not been good. in this respect
both are guilty as they have to realize that they should act professional
towards fmjf,sponsors and audience. a lot of them seem to forget that.
to jacques, mr. klimashov is a man with different faces, i agree with him
in the situation vs fmjd. i also agree with him that russia and holland are
not enough in close contact. this needs to be improved. a negative point
of mr. klimashov is that he also is in a position not to bring the disired
changes. also i experienced that he is doing things like the wk moscow
in a way that does not need dublicated. so klimashov for president is one road to far. suprising is also that their is no news and no response from
mr shovkoplias. as i said in the other piece i wrote today it is time for
some people to meet. the possible new chairman of the dutch federation
is in my respect someone who better understands the sitiation and i have
spoken with him during the dutch championship and got a good impression. still I like to know from you the statement from france
on this forum or in private.

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Wait and see

Post by Jacques PERMAL » Fri Jun 20, 2003 08:10

Dear Peter,

As I said in the topic "International tournaments", there were some problems about national championship. So FFJD had to find a place where we could organize this tournament in August. Now It is OK.
Now FFJD could release his opinion about FMJD.
Make sure that FFJD will release a statement about FMJD crisis before Tuesday.

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Statement KNDB Council

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Tue Jun 24, 2003 00:37

Last saturday the General Assemblee from the KNDB found place.
One of the members of the council ('Bondsraad') on Damwebforum
wrote about the points of view this council accepted there:


- Wouter van Beek too long has been president from the FMJD.
- In general Dutch officials have too much influence in the FMJD.
- The successor of Van Beek preferarably is not a Dutchman

The council takes the line that the board from the KNDB in its actions
observes the above principles.

The Dutch Draughts officials too long took the line that it would become a
chaos with a Russian (or another foreigner) in control.
If it would be like that, I can't judge personally.
I do know that it is a wrong starting-point.
Every community (in this case the international Draughts World) gets the
officials that it deserves, provided that some democratical principles are settled.
So, one should never have the illusion that one can arrange everything in
a minute in the Netherlands.
Of course it's crazy that a Belgian and two Dutchmen perform the
functions of president, treasurer and secretary.
That's why one can understand that in Eastern Europe people don't like
this very much, even if the management of the board would be acceptable for them.

Was written by Gerard de Groot, vice-chairman of the KNDB-council.

Gerard de Groot

Statement KNDB Council

Post by Gerard de Groot » Wed Jun 25, 2003 22:11

Thanks Hanco for your translation. However I want to stress that the first three points are indeed expressed during the Council. The rest of the text represents my personal opinion. Just to be clear.

Gerard de Groot
Vice-President KNDB Council

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