Rules of the tournament for 2022

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Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:46

Aim of the game

- selecting the best computer program in the draughts tournament
- popularization of computer of programs in International draughts

Organizer

Krzysztof Grzelak - Poland

System of the game

- the tournament will be played the system " round - robin " a distance of thirty four rounds
- the place of the program in the tournament is determined by the highest number of points scored in the tournament - the largest number of games won and the coefficient Sonneborn - Berger
- time of a game - 10 minutes + 10 seconds on 85 moves
- all programs are set to 10 minutes for 85 moves, an additional 10 seconds have been added to perform moves on the DGT Draughts E-Board
- the tournament scoring - for winning 2 points, for draw 1 point, for defeat 0 points
- every day 2 rounds will be played
- there will be a one day non gaming day in the tournament

The time and the place of the game

- the tournament will start 1 September 2022 in the town Kórnik in Poland
- the start time of the tournament - 8:00 Central European Summer Time

The draw

- a game is considered a draw when the same position occurs for the third time, with the same player having to move
- if during 25 successive moves, only the kings have moved, without any man moving or without any capture, the game is considered drawn
- if only three kings remain, two king plus a man, one king and two men, against one king, the game shall be considered a draw when the players have each played another sixteen moves maximum
- the end game with two kings, one king and a man, or one king against one king will be considered a draw when the players have played another five moves maximum

Concluding remarks

- judge main tournament - Krzysztof Grzelak
- in exceptional situations due to technical problems - the game can be repeated
- program that becomes corrupted during a game - loses the game
- every programmer can change versions of its software twice during tournament
- change the software version should be followed in the evening by electronic mail
- the tournament will be played live using the board DGT Draughts E-Board
- the tournament will run the program DraughtsArbiter Pro

If anyone has any comments and observations - please write.

Krzysztof

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by clp » Tue Mar 22, 2022 21:41

Hallo Krzysztof,

My suggestion is to add a paragraph on tie-break criteria, when players have the same score points.

I wish you success and a great tournament.

Best regards,
Kees Pippel

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Thu Mar 24, 2022 07:20

clp wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 21:41
Hallo Krzysztof,

My suggestion is to add a paragraph on tie-break criteria, when players have the same score points.

I wish you success and a great tournament.

Best regards,
Kees Pippel
Thank you for your answer. For now, I am wondering how to write it correctly and wisely.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by pontel » Mon Apr 04, 2022 04:53

clp wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 21:41
Hallo Krzysztof,

My suggestion is to add a paragraph on tie-break criteria, when players have the same score points.

I wish you success and a great tournament.

Best regards,
Kees Pippel
Olá, no sistema round-robin já há critérios para definir o melhor colocado em caso de mesma pontuação. São basicamente três critérios:
01 Confronto direto, caso haja apenas dois competidores com a mesma pontuação.
02 número de vitórias
03 Sonnenborn-Berger que é o desempenho de cada competidor enfrentado.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by clp » Mon Apr 04, 2022 16:35

The current default settings for round robin tournaments in DraughtsArbiterPro (and FMJD recommendations) are:
  1. Total Score
  2. Number of Wins
  3. Direct encounter
  4. Better result with the best opponents
  5. Manual Tiebreak
My personal preference for a tournament between computer engines is: Better result with the best opponents (2), Number of Wins (3).

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Apr 05, 2022 16:07

Hello clp,

if I write like this:
the following tiebreaker criteria apply in the tournament:
- Total Score
- Number of Wins
- Better result with the best opponents

Will it be correct and well spelled.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Ed Gilbert » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:58

I don't understand why you want number of wins to be the first tiebreak. IMO it should be the fewest losses. I can see number of wins for human tournaments, but in computer draughts the number of wins is mostly dependent on whether the weaker opponents made losing moves or not against you, which they seem to do somewhat randomly. So for the strong programs, number of wins is a lot of random luck, but if a "strong" program has any losses at all, that is not luck, that's bad, it means the program made a bad move, so that makes it a better criteria for tiebreaks.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:06

Ed Gilbert wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:58
I don't understand why you want number of wins to be the first tiebreak. IMO it should be the fewest losses. I can see number of wins for human tournaments, but in computer draughts the number of wins is mostly dependent on whether the weaker opponents made losing moves or not against you, which they seem to do somewhat randomly. So for the strong programs, number of wins is a lot of random luck, but if a "strong" program has any losses at all, that is not luck, that's bad, it means the program made a bad move, so that makes it a better criteria for tiebreaks.

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Ed, the first criterion is Total Score. Write, Ed, what do you think the tournament criteria should be.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Ed Gilbert » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:09

Ed, the first criterion is Total Score.
Total score is the primary ordering criteria, not a tiebreak criteria. The others are tiebreak criteria.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:14

clp wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 16:35
The current default settings for round robin tournaments in DraughtsArbiterPro (and FMJD recommendations) are:
  1. Total Score
  2. Number of Wins
  3. Direct encounter
  4. Better result with the best opponents
  5. Manual Tiebreak
My personal preference for a tournament between computer engines is: Better result with the best opponents (2), Number of Wins (3).
Ed, here you have the basic criteria tie break.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Ed Gilbert » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:16

I would change the ordering to:

Total Score
Fewest Number of Losses
Direct encounter
Better result with the best opponents
Manual Tiebreak

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:24

Ed Gilbert wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:16
I would change the ordering to:

Total Score
Fewest Number of Losses
Direct encounter
Better result with the best opponents
Manual Tiebreak
Ed, there is no such Fewest Number of Losses option. There is Win/Lost Games. But it's probably not the same.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Ed Gilbert » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:28

If the tournament program cannot do "fewest number of losses", then I would use clp's suggestion:

"My personal preference for a tournament between computer engines is: Better result with the best opponents (2), Number of Wins (3)."

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Ed Gilbert » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:33

The point is that "number of wins" is not a good tiebreak criteria because it is based quite a bit on random luck, ie. the randomness with which weaker programs make losing moves.

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Re: Rules of the tournament for 2022

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:35

Ed Gilbert wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 13:28
If the tournament program cannot do "fewest number of losses", then I would use clp's suggestion:

"My personal preference for a tournament between computer engines is: Better result with the best opponents (2), Number of Wins (3)."
I have it done as in the picture below.

Image

Could it be like that.

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