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Jacques PERMAL · Post by **Jacques PERMAL** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:39

Bonjour,

Pour votre info vous trouverez ci-dessous un gros travail personnel fait par Ton Tillemans (TDKING) pour construire au niveau mondial un classement Elo des ordinateurs.

Tous les programmes ont été initialisés à la valeur 2000 mais bien sûr il n'y aucune raison pour que cette valeur pemette de comparer les ordinateurs et les humains.
La liste B correspond aux ordinateurs n'ayant fait aucun tournoi dans les 5 dernières années

Comme pour les humains, les ordinateurs aynant fait peu de parties (le cas le plus flagrant est celui de Kingsrow) ont un classement qui n'est pas vraiment représentatif

Amitiés
Gérard

Rating list all (known) played computer tournements

08/03/2008 (start level 2000 points)

A List (Played at least 1 tournement in last 5 years)

1 Flits (Adri Vermeulen) 2230
2 Damage (Bert Tuyt) 2170
3 Dios (Chris Jurriens / Eric van Riet Paap)) 2158
4 Damy (Gerard Taille) 2114
5 Dragon (Michael Grimmink) 2107
6 Tdking (Ton Tillemans) 2104
7 Dam (Harm Jetten) 2086
8 SjendeBlyn (Jelle Wiersma) 2072
9 Kingsrow (Ed Gilbert) 2045
10 Gwd (Klaas Bor / Gijsbert Wiesenekker) 1976
11 Virtualdraughts (Eddy Balavoine) 1955
12 Tornado (Frank Mesander) 1946
13 Rocky (Mark Winands) 1921
14 Windames (Jean-Bernard Allemani) 1915
15 Jdraughts (Ron van Bemmelen) 1893
16 Boomstradam (Feike Boomstra) 1781
17 Dream (Saïd Koudache) 1756
18 Cerberus (Leo Nagels) 1637

B List (last reached score)

1 Truus (Stef Keetman) 2358
2 Buggy (Nicolas Guibert) 2256
3 Orac (Ron van Bemmelen) 2135
4 Dammachine (Stef Keetman) 2127
5 Napoleon (Vincent Diepeveen / Marcel Monteba) 2107
6 Draughtsmachine (Truus2 Stef Keetman) 2106
7 Damocles (Arjan van Leeuwen) 2085
8 Olympus10 (Erik van Riet Paap) 2078
9 Olympus16 (Erik van Riet Paap) 2074
10 Toy (Fabien Letouzey) 2049
11 Bunzo (Bert van Oortmaarsen) 2031
12 Eden (Saïd Koudache) 2019
13 Bonk (Vincent Diepeveen / Marcel Monteba) 2018
14 Deep Thought (Bart de Jong) 2013
15 Dagmar (Gerrit van Oortmaarsen) 2010
16 Diepratel (Vincent van Diepeveen / Marcel Monteba) 2010
17 Agafonov (Agafonov / Bobrovsky) 2007
18 Zazen (Ron van Bemmelen) 2007
19 Dame blanche (Freek van Keulen) 1996
20 MacDammen (Ron van Bemmelen) 1996
21 Bicmep (Bas Innemee) 1985
22 ttdam (Ton Tillemans) 1984
23 Japi (Jap Pistorius) 1978
24 Damp (Alex Prooper) 1974
25 Nightmare (Joost Buijs) 1967
26 PsiForce (John Smeets / Gerard Putter) 1964
27 Nicodames (Nicolas Guibert) 1963
28 Kaalslag (Louis Verhaard) 1958
29 Dynamo (Adrian Millet) 1956
30 Dame challanger (A Debernardi / S, Leclerq) 1954
31 Conar (Rien Beckman) 1951
32 NN (Lou Somers) 1945
33 Conquistador (Rien Beckman) 1931
34 Damhert (Pseudonym) 1919
35 Quidam (Jean-Bernard Allemani) 1913
36 Damslag (J.W.Hoeve) 1906
37 Adam (Henk Holterman) 1902
38 Lion (Gerard Sang) 1902
39 Damdrammer (Gerard de Groot) 1900
40 Filodam (Bert van Oortmarssen) 1893
41 Grandmaitre (Roland Morla) 1888
42 Qdam (Henk Holterman) 1874
43 Nerve (Freek van Keulen) 1870
44 Dammen (Bart de Jong) 1863
45 TN83 (A.R.D. van Bergen) 1708

BertTuyt · Post by **BertTuyt** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 18:58

Ed/Gerard and others.

On the all-time list TRUUS is still number one.
As TRUUS does not compete these days in tournaments, we have no clue what actual performance is these days.
At least I know that TRUUS was always extremely strong, lightyears ahead of competition.
On the other hand, there is no TRUUS available with 7-man databases, or prepared for WIN64 and/or multicore.

What are your results against TRUUS?
Don't think we can ask Stef to modify his program for DXP, so we could easily play ziljions of games ........................................
There is also not an easy solution which does not take days of work.
So hope you have more creativity?

Who from the other programmers also uses TRUUS as test-vehicle?
I do anyway (and i bought a legal copy) !!!!

Bert

wellnesswrotter · Post by **wellnesswrotter** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 20:23

DXP is Dam Exchange Protocol?

BertTuyt · Post by **BertTuyt** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 20:28

Yes it is.

Bert

Rein Halbersma · Post by **Rein Halbersma** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 20:42

BertTuyt wrote:Ed/Gerard and others.

On the all-time list TRUUS is still number one.
As TRUUS does not compete these days in tournaments, we have no clue what actual performance is these days.
At least I know that TRUUS was always extremely strong, lightyears ahead of competition.
On the other hand, there is no TRUUS available with 7-man databases, or prepared for WIN64 and/or multicore.

What are your results against TRUUS?
Don't think we can ask Stef to modify his program for DXP, so we could easily play ziljions of games ........................................
There is also not an easy solution which does not take days of work.
So hope you have more creativity?

Who from the other programmers also uses TRUUS as test-vehicle?
I do anyway (and i bought a legal copy) !!!!

Bert

Truus does have 7 piece databases (since 1998, Stef Keetman published at length on this in the magazine Dammen) but it is not commercially available unfortunately.

BertTuyt · Post by **BertTuyt** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 20:46

Rein,

I know that he published something about this. But the problem for me is more related to Truus auto-play (in a DXP or similar way) which is not possible, so it is difficult to test his/her strength during a match.
Do you know if Stef is willing to add this feature (only for the programmers amongst us) ?

Bert

Rein Halbersma · Post by **Rein Halbersma** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 21:00

BertTuyt wrote:Rein,

I know that he published something about this. But the problem for me is more related to Truus auto-play (in a DXP or similar way) which is not possible, so it is difficult to test his/her strength during a match.
Do you know if Stef is willing to add this feature (only for the programmers amongst us) ?

Bert

Hi Bert, I don't know Stef personally, but I think he is no longer active in draughts programming. But who knows, in 1999 (when he published his last version of Truus), he also was inactive for several years.

Ed has had several long manual matches (158 games each) with both Truus and Flits (as well as automatic ones with Dam2.2 and your program), and if he is willing to post the results you would get a better idea of the real strengths of the various programs...

wellnesswrotter · Post by **wellnesswrotter** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 09:54

In 1998 Stef Keetman made a new draughts program for the Frisian Variant of the game. I saw Stef in Leeuwarden that year. Lusoris played Teake Kooistra

Lusoris has beaten the world champion several times since. And the analasys function in Lusoris made it a great gift in the Frisian Draughts World.

The last time i heard, Stef is now competing in Frisian Draughts events en still is programming Lusoris!

note1: If you are Frisian champion in Frisian Draughts, you are also World champion.
note2: In Frisian draughts a stone may also capture stones over a horizontal or vertical line!

BertTuyt · Post by **BertTuyt** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:28

Rein, see below remark from you. Is it possible to scan some of the articles to pdf, and sent it to me?

Think this is a great achievement, taken into account the memory-size, processer speed, and Hard-Disk capacity around this time.
Did he produce this databases on his own PC, or did he use external computing power.

Did he calculate all databases or a subset (example 5m - 2m).

Truus does have 7 piece databases (since 1998, Stef Keetman published at length on this in the magazine Dammen) but it is not commercially available unfortunately.

Bert

Ed Gilbert · Post by **Ed Gilbert** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 13:12

Something I read led me to believe that he did not build the whole 7-pc, only a subset with mostly kings. I can't remember where I read that though.

-- Ed

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