Internet engine matches

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Krzysztof, please consider your tone and drop the accusations, please. All of us here are unpaid hobbyists trying to write our own programs. We have jobs and families that take priority over hobbies. If anyone makes announcements, they are intentions, not promises like a company would make to its customers. Scan, Kingsrow and Dragon have raised the bar to such heights that beating this level is very hard.

I am very sorry but he is a sincere man Rein. As for Ed, Michel, Fabien and others, I respect them very much and I will not write any bad words about them. As for Gerard I do not blame him either. I only gave him his opinions. As for Bert, I wrote what I think honestly and openly. Rein please answer such simple question - the person who I write about something and later I do not keep the promise it ....

[BertTuyt]

To all involved,
it is and was my intention to share much in this forum.
And openly discuss all I'm working on, and also provide lots of source code.
As apparently I'm a liar, I conclude that my contribution is not valued, and I considered this my last post in this forum.
Good luck to all.

Bert

[Rein Halbersma]

To all involved,
it is and was my intention to share much in this forum.
And openly discuss all I'm working on, and also provide lots of source code.
As apparently I'm a liar, I conclude that my contribution is not valued, and I considered this my last post in this forum.
Good luck to all.

Bert

Bert, I have no idea what Krzysztof is upset about, apparently something you announced but didn't get around to. I don't think anyone else questions your honesty one iota. Please reconsider (hint: there is an "add friend" / "add foe" menu when you click on a user's profile, so that you don't have to see any future posts that you don't like.)

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match KINGSROW - SCAN (3-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.59 vs. Scan 3.0 6 wins, 54 losses, 928 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.59

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8
Threads = 4
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 4
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core I7 2670QM, 2.2GHz
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Service Pack 1 PL

[TAILLE]

To all involved,
it is and was my intention to share much in this forum.
And openly discuss all I'm working on, and also provide lots of source code.
As apparently I'm a liar, I conclude that my contribution is not valued, and I considered this my last post in this forum.
Good luck to all.

Bert

Bert, I have no idea what Krzysztof is upset about, apparently something you announced but didn't get around to. I don't think anyone else questions your honesty one iota. Please reconsider (hint: there is an "add friend" / "add foe" menu when you click on a user's profile, so that you don't have to see any future posts that you don't like.)

Hi Bert,
As Rein I do not understand why this agression from Krzysztof. As usual on this type of forum we have two types of persons: the programmers whose hobby is to create a program as strong as possible or simply to explore new idea's, and the users whose hobby is to use these programs in order to analyse various games or in order to compare the different programs. (you note of course that a programmer may also act as a user!).
The programmers aim at exchanging on program conception while the users are waiting for new versions and aim at exchanging on match results or on analysis results.
As programmer I claim I am very happy with your contribution and I look forward to continue exchanging with you on BT draughts fascinating variation.
I guess (?) Krzysztof could be not happy if he was waiting for damage version but it is life. At one time a programmer may promis a new version but some time later, for various reasons (new ideas for his developpements or simply personnal reasons) he may of course change his mind. It is not a lie is it?
By chance I never mentionned that a Damy version may be available for users in a near future. I guess a user as Krzysztof could be a little desappointed but it is my choice and I am sure Krzysztof respect this choice.
I really expect to be able to continue exchanging with you.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Hi Bert,
As Rein I do not understand why this agression from Krzysztof. As usual on this type of forum we have two types of persons: the programmers whose hobby is to create a program as strong as possible or simply to explore new idea's, and the users whose hobby is to use these programs in order to analyse various games or in order to compare the different programs. (you note of course that a programmer may also act as a user!).
The programmers aim at exchanging on program conception while the users are waiting for new versions and aim at exchanging on match results or on analysis results.
As programmer I claim I am very happy with your contribution and I look forward to continue exchanging with you on BT draughts fascinating variation.
I guess (?) Krzysztof could be not happy if he was waiting for damage version but it is life. At one time a programmer may promis a new version but some time later, for various reasons (new ideas for his developpements or simply personnal reasons) he may of course change his mind. It is not a lie is it?
By chance I never mentionned that a Damy version may be available for users in a near future. I guess a user as Krzysztof could be a little desappointed but it is my choice and I am sure Krzysztof respect this choice.
I really expect to be able to continue exchanging with you.

I understand and respect your decision Gerard. Unfortunately, in my head I would have some questions to You. Maybe someday I'll give you one.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.59 vs. Dragon 4.6.1 2 wins, 4 losses, 151 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.59

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8
Threads = 4
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon 4.6.1

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 32 MB
The base ends = 6 + big tables
Avoid draws - Not
Number of cores = 4
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core I7 2670QM, 2.2GHz
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Service Pack 1 PL

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Match DAMAGE - SCAN

Damage 14.0 vs. Scan 3.0 12 wins, 7 losses, 137 draws, 2 unknowns

Great admiration and respect for you Bert. The match was played by Berta.

[Sidiki]

Match DAMAGE - SCAN

Damage 14.0 vs. Scan 3.0 12 wins, 7 losses, 137 draws, 2 unknowns

Great admiration and respect for you Bert. The match was played by Berta.

HI, this it's a new,

A question: what was the conditions of the match?

Sidiki--

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

A question: what was the conditions of the match?

Sidiki--

I can be wrong - but I think 10 minutes for 65 moves.

[Sidiki]

A question: what was the conditions of the match?

Sidiki--

I can be wrong - but I think 10 minutes for 65 moves.

Ok, but what about endgame database used 6, 7 , 8?
Have you Damage 14.0?

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Ok, but what about endgame database used 6, 7 , 8?
Have you Damage 14.0?

All this is my guess - and I can be wrong in what I am writing below.

book = 0
threads = 1
tt-size = 24
bb-size = 7
bb-preload = 6

The Scan played with threads = 1 or threads = 4.

[Sidiki]

Ok, but what about endgame database used 6, 7 , 8?
Have you Damage 14.0?

All this is my guess - and I can be wrong in what I am writing below.

book = 0
threads = 1
tt-size = 24
bb-size = 7
bb-preload = 6

The Scan played with threads = 1 or threads = 4.

So Scan has 7 egdb?

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

So Scan has 7 egdb?

Not because the engine does not have a 7 figure base only 6.

[Sidiki]

So Scan has 7 egdb?

Not because the engine does not have a 7 figure base only 6.

You put bb-size=7, ok